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In response to those who would like to protect the rights of the detainees by deleting their Wikipedia articles, the response of a judge in denying the US Department of Defense the right to withhold information about the detainees:
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:''"one might well wonder whether the detainees share the view that keeping their identities secret is in their own best interests"
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::[[Wikipedia:Jed S. Rakoff]]
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* '''User:Anarchangel/Sandbox/Guantanamo detainees'''
 
* '''User:Anarchangel/Sandbox/Guantanamo detainees'''
 
* [[User:Anarchangel/Sandbox/Guantanamo detainees 2]]
 
* [[User:Anarchangel/Sandbox/Guantanamo detainees 2]]
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* [http://www.webcitation.org/5gVfyFSwi Administrative Review Board hearings webcitation link]
 
* [http://www.webcitation.org/5gVfyFSwi Administrative Review Board hearings webcitation link]
  
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*'''Note''' [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sultan Sari Sayel Al Anazi]]
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[[Wikipedia:User:Geo Swan/Redirecting Guantanamo captives articles to the list articles on their nationalities|Geo Swan]] Redirecting notice - [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Geo_Swan&offset=&limit=500&target=Geo+Swan Contributions] starting 8 July until 15 August or so, so far
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The 'worst' stay on WP, the innocent get deleted. Which gives a distorted view of the imprisonment and procedures.
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* [[Abdulrahim Kerimbakiev]]
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* [[Abdallah Tohtasinovich Magrupov]] [[Wikipedia:Abdallah Tohtasinovich Magrupov]]
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* [[Kamalludin Kasimbekov]] ‎ [[Wikipedia:Kamalludin Kasimbekov]]
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* [[Zakirjan Asam]] ‎[[Wikipedia:Zakirjan Asam]]
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* [[Shakhrukh Hamiduva]] ‎ [[Wikipedia:Shakhrukh Hamiduva]]
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* [[Abdul Rauf Omar Mohammed Abu Al Qusin]]‎ [[Wikipedia:Abdul Rauf Omar Mohammed Abu Al Qusin]]
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* [[Mohammad Lameen Sidi Mohammad]] [[Wikipedia:Mohammad Lameen Sidi Mohammad]]
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* [[Riyad Bil Mohammed Tahir Nasseri]] [[Wikipedia:Riyad Bil Mohammed Tahir Nasseri]]
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* [[Said Boujaadia]] [[Wikipedia:Said Boujaadia]]
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* [[Mohamed Ben Moujane]] [[Wikipedia:Mohamed Ben Moujane]]
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* [[Yunis Abdurrahman Shokuri]] [[Wikipedia:Yunis Abdurrahman Shokuri]]
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* [[Abdul Latif Nasir]] [[Wikipedia:Abdul Latif Nasir]]
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* [[Ibrahim Bin Shakaran]] [[Wikipedia:Ibrahim Bin Shakaran]]
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* [[Radwan al Shakouri]] [[Wikipedia:Radwan al Shakouri]]
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* [[Najib Mohammad Lahassimi]] [[Wikipedia:Najib Mohammad Lahassimi]]
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* [[Mohammed Souleimani Laalami]] [[Wikipedia:Mohammed Souleimani Laalami]]
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* [[Salem Abdul Salem Ghereby]] [[Wikipedia:Salem Abdul Salem Ghereby]]
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* [[Ibrahim Mahdy Achmed Zeidan]] [[Wikipedia:Ibrahim Mahdy Achmed Zeidan]]
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* [[Omar Abu Bakr]] [[Wikipedia:Omar Abu Bakr]]
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* [[Ismael Ali Faraj Ali Bakush]] [[Wikipedia:Ismael Ali Faraj Ali Bakush]]
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* [[Abdelrazak Ali Abdelrahman]] [[Wikipedia:Abdelrazak Ali Abdelrahman]]
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* [[Abu Sufian bin Qumu]] [[Wikipedia:Abu Sufian bin Qumu]]
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* [[Ashraf Salim Abd Al Salam Sultan]] [[Wikipedia:Ashraf Salim Abd Al Salam Sultan]]
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* [[Muhammad Abd Allah Mansur Al Futuri]] [[Wikipedia:Muhammad Abd Allah Mansur Al Futuri]]
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* [[Hisham Sliti]] [[Wikipedia:Hisham Sliti]]
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* [[Abdul Bin Mohammed Bin Abess Ourgy]] [[Wikipedia:Abdul Bin Mohammed Bin Abess Ourgy]]
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* [[Adel bin Ibrahim Hkiml]] [[Wikipedia:Adel bin Ibrahim Hkiml]]
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* [[Adel Ben Mabrouk]] [[Wikipedia:Adel Ben Mabrouk]]
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* [[Lotfi Bin Ali]] [[Wikipedia:Lotfi Bin Ali]]
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* [[Rafiq Bin Bashir Bin Jalud Al Hami]] [[Wikipedia:Rafiq Bin Bashir Bin Jalud Al Hami]]
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* [[Abdullah Bin Omar]] [[Wikipedia:Abdullah Bin Omar]]
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* [[Abdul Haddi Bin Hadiddi]] [[Wikipedia:Abdul Haddi Bin Hadiddi]]
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* [[Ridah Bin Saleh Al Yazidi]] [[Wikipedia:Ridah Bin Saleh Al Yazidi]]
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* [[Abdul Halim Sadiqi]] [[Wikipedia:Abdul Halim Sadiqi]]
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* [[Mohammed Irfan (Guantanamo detainee)]] [[Wikipedia:Mohammed Irfan (Guantanamo detainee)]]
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* [[Bashir Ahmad (Guantanamo detainee 1005)]] [[Wikipedia:Bashir Ahmad (Guantanamo detainee 1005)]]
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* [[Sultan Ahmad (Guantanamo detainee)]] [[Wikipedia:Sultan Ahmad (Guantanamo detainee)]]
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* [[Hafiz Ihsan Saeed]] [[Wikipedia:Hafiz Ihsan Saeed]]
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* [[Abid Raza]] [[Wikipedia:Abid Raza]]
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* [[Khalil Rahman Hafez]] [[Wikipedia:Khalil Rahman Hafez]]
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* [[Jihan Wali]] [[Wikipedia:Jihan Wali]]
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* [[Mohammed Rafiq]] [[Wikipedia:Mohammed Rafiq]]
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* [[Muhammed Ijaz Khan]] [[Wikipedia:Muhammed Ijaz Khan]]
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* [[Abdul Sattar (Guantanamo detainee 10)]] [[Wikipedia:Abdul Sattar (Guantanamo detainee 10)]]
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* [[Abdur Sayed Rahaman]] [[Wikipedia:Abdur Sayed Rahaman]]
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* [[Hozaifa Parhat]]
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* [[]] [[Wikipedia:]]
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* [[]] [[Wikipedia:]]
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= Rationales against deletion =
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Against deleting because it is dehumanizing, US propaganda, bleh bleh. The 'worst' stay on WP, the innocent get deleted. Which gives a distorted view of the imprisonment and procedures. The more innocent are in one sense more notable because unfair imprisonment is notable.
  
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*'''Rationale origin''' [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sultan Sari Sayel Al Anazi]]
 
"Guantanamo" gets 134,000 hits on Google News. Are we to believe that this is because of the architecture of the internment facility there? Or perhaps the guards, or their uniforms? A score or two of Gitmo prisoner articles have been deleted, first on the basis of an outdated interpretation of the [[WP:PRIMARY]] rule that forbad all primary sources, and now an invocation of GNG that clearly contradicts the facts. Guantanamo prisoners have always been notable, and are a clear case for [[WP:IAR]] to bypass the contradiction with GNG. The article, like all Guantanamo prisoner articles, has been savagely cut, from a 32k article down to only 2k bytes,  
 
"Guantanamo" gets 134,000 hits on Google News. Are we to believe that this is because of the architecture of the internment facility there? Or perhaps the guards, or their uniforms? A score or two of Gitmo prisoner articles have been deleted, first on the basis of an outdated interpretation of the [[WP:PRIMARY]] rule that forbad all primary sources, and now an invocation of GNG that clearly contradicts the facts. Guantanamo prisoners have always been notable, and are a clear case for [[WP:IAR]] to bypass the contradiction with GNG. The article, like all Guantanamo prisoner articles, has been savagely cut, from a 32k article down to only 2k bytes,  
 
:Either the sincerity or competence of this notability-based deletion nomination is in question. Offering the inclusion of the article's subject in a list as a consolation prize to inclusionists is incompatible with the basis of the nomination, as list components must be notable in their own right. Which is it? Is this article notable, or is its inclusion in a list and therefore on WP altogether still threatened? [[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]]
 
:Either the sincerity or competence of this notability-based deletion nomination is in question. Offering the inclusion of the article's subject in a list as a consolation prize to inclusionists is incompatible with the basis of the nomination, as list components must be notable in their own right. Which is it? Is this article notable, or is its inclusion in a list and therefore on WP altogether still threatened? [[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]]
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::Not inherited from what, exactly?
 
::Not inherited from what, exactly?
 
::An American base in Cuba is something of an anomaly, I will concede. But 134K? I think it is Gitmo that inherits notability from its inmates? Hmm, how might I test that? Let's see, coverage before the year 2001 might be good. [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Google+News+Search%22&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1#q=guantanamo+bay&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&ei=OGLxT_G9I8qOrAHHzuWOAg&ved=0CDMQpwUoCw&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F1903%2Ccd_max%3A9%2F11%2F2001&tbm=nws&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=df2065f7a29d4d17&biw=1211&bih=730 10,000 hits for the over 98 years between 1/1/1903], the year the base was founded, and 9/11/2001, the year, you know, that thing, happened. [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Google+News+Search%22&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1#q=guantanamo&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&ei=BWTxT8GpF9G42gWunJGRBg&ved=0CC4QpwUoCw&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1%2Ccd_min%3A9%2F11%2F2001%2Ccd_max%3A6%2F2%2F2012&tbm=nws&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=df2065f7a29d4d17&biw=1211&bih=730 Google hits for the less than 11 years between 9/11 and today] now total 136,000. I won't be arguing that these numbers are extremely accurate, I guess. Like it matters. Around 100 a year to well over 10,000 a year. Gitmo prisoners are 100 times as notable as their prison? [[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]]
 
::An American base in Cuba is something of an anomaly, I will concede. But 134K? I think it is Gitmo that inherits notability from its inmates? Hmm, how might I test that? Let's see, coverage before the year 2001 might be good. [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Google+News+Search%22&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1#q=guantanamo+bay&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&ei=OGLxT_G9I8qOrAHHzuWOAg&ved=0CDMQpwUoCw&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F1903%2Ccd_max%3A9%2F11%2F2001&tbm=nws&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=df2065f7a29d4d17&biw=1211&bih=730 10,000 hits for the over 98 years between 1/1/1903], the year the base was founded, and 9/11/2001, the year, you know, that thing, happened. [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Google+News+Search%22&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1#q=guantanamo&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&ei=BWTxT8GpF9G42gWunJGRBg&ved=0CC4QpwUoCw&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1%2Ccd_min%3A9%2F11%2F2001%2Ccd_max%3A6%2F2%2F2012&tbm=nws&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=df2065f7a29d4d17&biw=1211&bih=730 Google hits for the less than 11 years between 9/11 and today] now total 136,000. I won't be arguing that these numbers are extremely accurate, I guess. Like it matters. Around 100 a year to well over 10,000 a year. Gitmo prisoners are 100 times as notable as their prison? [[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]]
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* [[:Category:Articles nominated for deletion on Wikipedia (AfD)]]
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* [[:Category:Articles deleted from Wikipedia]]
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* [[:Category:Articles redirected on Wikipedia]]
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--NOTE DETAILED REBUTTAL OF US LEGAL STANCE on Mohammed Nasim 849 article--
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AP ED tag and deserves it
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* [[Sameur Abdenour]] awaiting but exists
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at the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sameur Abdenour]]:
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* [[Hassan Mujamma Rabai Said]]
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* [[Soufian Abar Huwari]]
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* [[Mutij Sadiz Ahmad Sayab]]
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Awaiting result but only at [[User:Anarchangel/Sandbox/Guantanamo detainees 3]] :
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* [[Said Muhammad Husayn Qahtani]]
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[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Said Muhammad Husayn Qahtani]]
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* [[Salim Suliman Al Harbi]] etc
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All at [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Salim Suliman Al Harbi]]
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* [[Mohamed Anwar Kurd]]
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* [[Moheb Ullah Borekzai]]
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* [[Isa Ali Abdullah al Murbati]]
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* [[Salah Abdul Rasool Al Blooshi]]
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* [[Adil Kamil al-Wadi]]
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* [[Salman Ebrahim Mohamed Ali Al Khalifa]]
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* [[Khaled Ben Mustafa]]
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24th -All at [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Salim Suliman Al Harbi]]
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* [[Muhammed al-Darbi]]
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* [[Muhammad Assad]]
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* [[Abd Al Rahman Al Zahri]]
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* [[Saleh Mohamed Al Zuba]]
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* [[Fahmi Salem Said Al Sani]]
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* [[Salah 'Ali Qaru]]
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= AfD complete =
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=== Not yet included at AP ===
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:[[Wikipedia:Template:la]] <tt>(</tt>[[Special:Undelete/Special:Undelete|View and restore deleted pages]] ([[Special:Undelete]])<tt>&#124;</tt><span class="plainlinks">[http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:{{fullurl:Wikipedia:ETAN}} Google cache] of article name which goes to http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:http://en.wikipedia.org/ETAN (in this case, ETAN))</span><tt>&#124;</tt>[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/]]<tt>)</tt>
  
 
* [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohammed Nasim (Guantanamo captive 849)]]
 
* [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohammed Nasim (Guantanamo captive 849)]]
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Separately AfDd
 
Separately AfDd
 
* [[Abdul Ghafour]] (Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin leader)
 
* [[Abdul Ghafour]] (Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin leader)
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* [[Sultan Sari Sayel Al Anazi]]
 
* [[Sultan Sari Sayel Al Anazi]]
 
* [[Abdullah Muhammed Abdel Aziz]]
 
* [[Abdullah Muhammed Abdel Aziz]]
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* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sultan Radi al-Utaibi]] 27th
 
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sultan Radi al-Utaibi]] 27th
 
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Musa Ali Said Al Said Al Amari]] 27th
 
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Musa Ali Said Al Said Al Amari]] 27th
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[[User:Anarchangel/Sandbox/Guantanamo detainees 3]]
 
[[User:Anarchangel/Sandbox/Guantanamo detainees 3]]
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[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rami Bin Said Al Taibi]]
 
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rami Bin Said Al Taibi]]
 
* [[Rami Bin Said Al Taibi]]
 
* [[Rami Bin Said Al Taibi]]
 
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdullah Hamid al Qahtani]]
 
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdullah Hamid al Qahtani]]
 
* [[Abdullah Hamid Mohammed Al-Qahtani]]
 
* [[Abdullah Hamid Mohammed Al-Qahtani]]
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[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Said Muhammad Husayn Qahtani]]
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* [[Said Muhammad Husayn Qahtani]]
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* [[Khalid Malu Shia al Ghatani]]
 
* [[Khalid Malu Shia al Ghatani]]
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* [[Abdul Raham Houari]]
 
* [[Abdul Raham Houari]]
  
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Latest revision as of 14:41, 27 December 2015

In response to those who would like to protect the rights of the detainees by deleting their Wikipedia articles, the response of a judge in denying the US Department of Defense the right to withhold information about the detainees:

"one might well wonder whether the detainees share the view that keeping their identities secret is in their own best interests"
Wikipedia:Jed S. Rakoff


Geo Swan Redirecting notice - Contributions starting 8 July until 15 August or so, so far


Rationales against deletion[edit]

Against deleting because it is dehumanizing, US propaganda, bleh bleh. The 'worst' stay on WP, the innocent get deleted. Which gives a distorted view of the imprisonment and procedures. The more innocent are in one sense more notable because unfair imprisonment is notable.

"Guantanamo" gets 134,000 hits on Google News. Are we to believe that this is because of the architecture of the internment facility there? Or perhaps the guards, or their uniforms? A score or two of Gitmo prisoner articles have been deleted, first on the basis of an outdated interpretation of the WP:PRIMARY rule that forbad all primary sources, and now an invocation of GNG that clearly contradicts the facts. Guantanamo prisoners have always been notable, and are a clear case for WP:IAR to bypass the contradiction with GNG. The article, like all Guantanamo prisoner articles, has been savagely cut, from a 32k article down to only 2k bytes,

Either the sincerity or competence of this notability-based deletion nomination is in question. Offering the inclusion of the article's subject in a list as a consolation prize to inclusionists is incompatible with the basis of the nomination, as list components must be notable in their own right. Which is it? Is this article notable, or is its inclusion in a list and therefore on WP altogether still threatened? Anarchangel

X: notability is not inherited

Not inherited from what, exactly?
An American base in Cuba is something of an anomaly, I will concede. But 134K? I think it is Gitmo that inherits notability from its inmates? Hmm, how might I test that? Let's see, coverage before the year 2001 might be good. 10,000 hits for the over 98 years between 1/1/1903, the year the base was founded, and 9/11/2001, the year, you know, that thing, happened. Google hits for the less than 11 years between 9/11 and today now total 136,000. I won't be arguing that these numbers are extremely accurate, I guess. Like it matters. Around 100 a year to well over 10,000 a year. Gitmo prisoners are 100 times as notable as their prison? Anarchangel

--NOTE DETAILED REBUTTAL OF US LEGAL STANCE on Mohammed Nasim 849 article-- AP ED tag and deserves it

Note: this collapsible navbox has a link to the Google cache of pages

Pending[edit]

July 5

at the Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sameur Abdenour:

Awaiting result but only at User:Anarchangel/Sandbox/Guantanamo detainees 3 :

Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Said Muhammad Husayn Qahtani

July 24

All at Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Salim Suliman Al Harbi

24th -All at Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Salim Suliman Al Harbi


AfD complete[edit]

Deleted[edit]

Not yet included at AP[edit]

Included: Collapsible navbox archive of deleted[edit]


Other results[edit]

Not yet included[edit]

Included at AP[edit]

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