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We need to have more pro-porn content here, the vibe I'm getting is 'Porn is bad' [[User:Zazaban|Zazaban]] 09:03, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | We need to have more pro-porn content here, the vibe I'm getting is 'Porn is bad' [[User:Zazaban|Zazaban]] 09:03, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
| + | :I do not know what you mean by "pro-porn content". Most anarchists (except anarcho-capitalists) are against pornography. Anarcho-primitivsts, Green anarchists, anarcha-feminists, anarcho-communists - all are against pornography. To know about anarchist view of pornography, you can read [http://libcom.org/library/anarchism-and-sex this article]. The reason for anarchists opposition to porn is anarchists are ''against'' '''commercialization of sex''' and ''against'' '''objectification of individuals'''. Anarchist criticism differs from religious criticism, anarchist criticism is not based on tradition, culture, morality etc., but it is based on a scientific and logical ground. Pornography is commercialization of sex, which deviates from the concept of free love and free sex, this is why anarchists oppose pornography, and many anarchists oppose the institution of marriage also which is a social bondage. Many anarchists support '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_love free love]'''. During Spanish Civil War, '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_spain#Feminism anarchists abolished marriage]''' which was a good step to stop this psychological enslavement and teenagers were allowed to freely have sex. Love and sexual relations are freely entered into and should not be regulated by law, commerce, industry, society etc. Capitalists want to make profit by commercializing sex and by objectifying young people. I know that you are an anarcho-capitalist, I am just wondering what will the result if anarcho-capitalism is ever implemented. Even the unborn child will be a pornstar! As per classical anarchism, this website should have an anti-pornography, anti-marriage, anti-prostitution (which is also commercialization of sex) and pro-free sex (i.e. sex not regulated by the industry, commerce, social norm and law) stance. --[[User:Cercopithecus|Cercopithecus]] 16:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
| + | :: I AM NOT AN ANARCHO-CAPITALIST I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE YOU GET THIS. I am more of an anarcho-communist, and no I am not against porn. Plenty of anarchists are not against porn, not all porn is even commercial, plenty is free. Also, the article you link to supports my viewpoint. I have seen plenty of anarchists who have no problem with porn and no, they weren't ancaps. [[User:Zazaban|Zazaban]] 18:59, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
| + | :: http://www.zpub.com/notes/sp000224.txt | ||
| + | :::You may have seen some anarchists who have no problem with porn, yes you are right that in the present system (i.e. present social system) pornography often becomes a mean of protest against state repression of sexual freedom. My stance is clear, I am anti-sate intervention in sex, anti-commercialized sex and pro-free sex, this is why I am anti-marriage, anti-pornography, anti-prostitution, pro-public nudity, pro-clothes free, pro-toplessness, pro-free sex and pro-[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_sex public sex] (i.e. I have no objection in sexual intercourse in public places). The official position of most anarchists are against commercialization of sex. Anarchists should be careful that by protesting against sexual repression, they should not support a capitalist industry. Off course pornography is a capitalist system which aims at profiteering and objectify persons and sex. It will be better to support and encourage public nudity and '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_sex public sex]''', not commercialized porn. --[[User:Cercopithecus|Cercopithecus]] 00:27, 26 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::: Not all porn is commercial by a long shot. [[User:Zazaban|Zazaban]] 00:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
| + | While historically all pornography was based on prostitution and as such commercial, today this is '''not''' the case. In fact i have for a long time been planning to open up anarchist porn website (will post the link here when i'll do so). ~ [[User:Beta_M|User:]][[Buddhism|B]][[ethics|e]][[Taoism|t]][[anarchism|a]][[postmodernism|_]][[metaphysics|M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) <span class="plainlinksneverexpand"><sup>[{{fullurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit§ion=new}} Talk]</sup></span> [[2008]] [[July 28]] 08:13 <sub>([[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]])</sub> | ||
| + | ::::: You are right in this point. In this case I think it should be made clear that anarchists are not against free and amateur porn, but are against commercial porn. --[[User:Cercopithecus|Cercopithecus]] 10:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::::: I think we should clearly present the fact that there '''are''' anti-porn anarchists (straight edgers, etc). As a free speech advocate i do not wish to censor views which i believe to be faulty. ~ [[User:Beta_M|User:]][[Buddhism|B]][[ethics|e]][[Taoism|t]][[anarchism|a]][[postmodernism|_]][[metaphysics|M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) <span class="plainlinksneverexpand"><sup>[{{fullurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit§ion=new}} Talk]</sup></span> [[2008]] [[August 15]] 11:00 <sub>([[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]])</sub> | ||
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We need to have more pro-porn content here, the vibe I'm getting is 'Porn is bad' Zazaban 09:03, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
- I do not know what you mean by "pro-porn content". Most anarchists (except anarcho-capitalists) are against pornography. Anarcho-primitivsts, Green anarchists, anarcha-feminists, anarcho-communists - all are against pornography. To know about anarchist view of pornography, you can read this article. The reason for anarchists opposition to porn is anarchists are against commercialization of sex and against objectification of individuals. Anarchist criticism differs from religious criticism, anarchist criticism is not based on tradition, culture, morality etc., but it is based on a scientific and logical ground. Pornography is commercialization of sex, which deviates from the concept of free love and free sex, this is why anarchists oppose pornography, and many anarchists oppose the institution of marriage also which is a social bondage. Many anarchists support free love. During Spanish Civil War, anarchists abolished marriage which was a good step to stop this psychological enslavement and teenagers were allowed to freely have sex. Love and sexual relations are freely entered into and should not be regulated by law, commerce, industry, society etc. Capitalists want to make profit by commercializing sex and by objectifying young people. I know that you are an anarcho-capitalist, I am just wondering what will the result if anarcho-capitalism is ever implemented. Even the unborn child will be a pornstar! As per classical anarchism, this website should have an anti-pornography, anti-marriage, anti-prostitution (which is also commercialization of sex) and pro-free sex (i.e. sex not regulated by the industry, commerce, social norm and law) stance. --Cercopithecus 16:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
- I AM NOT AN ANARCHO-CAPITALIST I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE YOU GET THIS. I am more of an anarcho-communist, and no I am not against porn. Plenty of anarchists are not against porn, not all porn is even commercial, plenty is free. Also, the article you link to supports my viewpoint. I have seen plenty of anarchists who have no problem with porn and no, they weren't ancaps. Zazaban 18:59, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
- http://www.zpub.com/notes/sp000224.txt
- You may have seen some anarchists who have no problem with porn, yes you are right that in the present system (i.e. present social system) pornography often becomes a mean of protest against state repression of sexual freedom. My stance is clear, I am anti-sate intervention in sex, anti-commercialized sex and pro-free sex, this is why I am anti-marriage, anti-pornography, anti-prostitution, pro-public nudity, pro-clothes free, pro-toplessness, pro-free sex and pro-public sex (i.e. I have no objection in sexual intercourse in public places). The official position of most anarchists are against commercialization of sex. Anarchists should be careful that by protesting against sexual repression, they should not support a capitalist industry. Off course pornography is a capitalist system which aims at profiteering and objectify persons and sex. It will be better to support and encourage public nudity and public sex, not commercialized porn. --Cercopithecus 00:27, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- Not all porn is commercial by a long shot. Zazaban 00:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- You may have seen some anarchists who have no problem with porn, yes you are right that in the present system (i.e. present social system) pornography often becomes a mean of protest against state repression of sexual freedom. My stance is clear, I am anti-sate intervention in sex, anti-commercialized sex and pro-free sex, this is why I am anti-marriage, anti-pornography, anti-prostitution, pro-public nudity, pro-clothes free, pro-toplessness, pro-free sex and pro-public sex (i.e. I have no objection in sexual intercourse in public places). The official position of most anarchists are against commercialization of sex. Anarchists should be careful that by protesting against sexual repression, they should not support a capitalist industry. Off course pornography is a capitalist system which aims at profiteering and objectify persons and sex. It will be better to support and encourage public nudity and public sex, not commercialized porn. --Cercopithecus 00:27, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
While historically all pornography was based on prostitution and as such commercial, today this is not the case. In fact i have for a long time been planning to open up anarchist porn website (will post the link here when i'll do so). ~ User:Beta_M (VolodyA! V Anarhist) 2008 July 28 08:13 (UTC)
- You are right in this point. In this case I think it should be made clear that anarchists are not against free and amateur porn, but are against commercial porn. --Cercopithecus 10:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
