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| − | Welcome! And I have to say you that you did a great work :) --[[User:millosh|millosh]] 04:09, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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| − | : I'm planning to stick around... i was basically driven away from [[Wikipedia]] yesterday, and was driven by [[adrenaline]]. But i'm going to continue going. Funny thing is that right now i'm on my [[job]], it's just that i that no [[work]] to do at the moment... q;-) I like it that in [[Anarchopedia]] one can actually make article names non-capitalised. ~ [[User:Beta_M|User:]][[Buddhism|B]][[ethics|e]][[Taoism|t]][[anarchism|a]][[postmodernism|_]][[metaphysics|M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) <span class="plainlinksneverexpand"><sup>[{{fullurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit§ion=new}} Talk]</sup></span>
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| − | | + | In regard to [http://eng.anarchopedia.org/index.php?diff=51726 your removal], I think your definition of 'troll' is overly broad. I assure you, while the tone in which I delivered my inquiry might have been slightly teasing, I was not feigning curiosity, nor do I have any interest in angering you. I am only 'fishing for a reaction' so far as anyone might in the general realm of communication, for if we cared not for responses, we would not speak at all. For now, I'll review your editing history to see what to expect later. [[User talk:Tyciol|Ty]] 10:56, 25 April 2012 (UTC) |
| − | Great :) I was sure that some expirienced Wikipedians would come to Anarchopedia. Because a lot of people (as well as a lot of anarchists) are not familiar with wikis. And the way of working on wiki is a lot different from work on other site. (And, yes, [[work]] is not right word, but my English is not so good :) ) BTW, you are Russian? Do you want Anarchopedia in Russian? BTW2, do you know do work on GNU/Linux? --[[User:millosh|millosh]] 08:50, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)
| + | :Sorry, if your intent was to stimulate me to contribute to the project and not to troll, then i will just say that i have plans to continue editing. I think that the first order of business is to upgrade to the newer version of MW, because i think that it can really help with all the spamming. Unfortunately the way it's intalled with the multilingual setup prior to miltilingual functionality being a part of MW-proper makes it difficult and requires careful thought. Then i believe that my priority should be to continue to work on [[list of days in a year]] articles. If you'd like to cooperate i welcome that. [[User:Beta M|Beta M]] 11:45, 25 April 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | : I would be considered [[Russia]]n by many people, and i think that is what you are talking about... right? q;-) I wouldn't mind getting russian version of Anarchopedia started, but let me get english version down to the degree when people can actually use it as some sort of a refference. Btw, in your opinion what is the main point of Anarchopedia, what i'm trying to do is to actually show how encyclopedia can be written without any regulations... so it would be to see if Wikipedia is the only way or only one way. ~ [[User:Beta_M|User:]][[Buddhism|B]][[ethics|e]][[Taoism|t]][[anarchism|a]][[postmodernism|_]][[metaphysics|M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) <span class="plainlinksneverexpand"><sup>[{{fullurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit§ion=new}} Talk]</sup></span>
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| − | Initially, I started a small number of languages for Anarchopedia. Even there are a lot of Spanish speaking anarchists, I [[:spa:]] is not so active. [[:ita:|Italian Anarchopedia]] doesn't have 2 articles. So, I stopped openning of new languages until there are some people who are interested in writing Anarchopedia in their language. I noticed that your name is Russian and I thought that you mey want to open Anarchopedia in Russian. --[[User:millosh|millosh]] 08:21, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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| − | I agree that Anarchopedia in English should be much better then it was before you came. [[:deu:|Anarchopedia in German]] and in [[:fra:French]] are much better then this one. And only because there were no people who wanted to do what you are doing now. (My English is not so good; also I am trying to be involved in creating articles as less as I can because I think that people should not care what do I think about exact content of articles.) --[[User:millosh|millosh]] 08:21, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC) | + | |
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| − | I started Anarchopedia with this ideas: (1) Free knowledge is one of the main anarchist goals and "one big anarchist encyclopedia" should be written in such way. (However, there is [http://www.infoshop.org/wiki/ Infoshop OpenWiki] which is older then Anarchopedia, but it has some disadvantages; as well as we can treat Wikipedia as enough good place for encyclopedic articles about anarchism.) So, the first, but not the most important reason is to build "encyclopedia about anarchism" in "anarchic fashion" ;) (2) Anarchopedia should be, also, "encyclopedia for anarchists", which includes (in general) something like "general encyclopedia without right wing POV and without authoritarian POV" (even it is called NPOV on Wikipedia). So, in general, all articles from Wikipedia are welcome here. Of course, with some changes :) (3) I would not say that Anarchopedia would be "without regulations", but "without power structure". All editors of Anarchopedia are equal and they are regulating Anarchopedia. I think that you did mean the same. (4) And, maybe the most important idea is to see how can we build anarchy, at least in cyrber space. I treat Anarchopedia as some kind of social experiment (but, of course, not only as a social experiment): if we have enough responsibility and enough strength to build "Wikipedia without power structure", we would be able to say that we have enough responsibility and enough strenght to build anarchy in the future. Also, successful Anarchopedia would give possibility for successful (Anarchopedian) community, which would be a great event. --[[User:millosh|millosh]] 08:21, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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| − | ==Sig on wikipedia==
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| − | beta m, your sig on Wikipedia is messing up lists. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Europe#Poll:_Which_items_should_be_listed.3F], for example. [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] 09:50, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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| − | : When i went there it was already fixed. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, i'd fix it myself it that would be necessary. ~ [[User:Beta_M|User:]][[Buddhism|B]][[ethics|e]][[Taoism|t]][[anarchism|a]][[postmodernism|_]][[metaphysics|M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) <span class="plainlinksneverexpand"><sup>[{{fullurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit§ion=new}} Talk]</sup></span>
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| − | ==NP==
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| − | it was a pleasure to restore your page :] [[User:Libre|Libre]] 08:30, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)
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| − | == Thanks for the welcome ==
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| − | Thanks for the welcome. I notice you copy content from other wikis to here; you are more than welcome (encouraged) to copy content from the wiki I started on veganism / animal rights, [http://www.wikiveg.org wikiveg]. The license is dual GFDL/CC-by-sa, which allows for content to be used under either license. [[User:Zach Alexander|Zach Alexander]] 21:53, 13 Mar 2006 (UTC)
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| − | : I'll start on that one when i finish with the some other ones... thanks for the heads up. ~ [[User:Beta_M|User:]][[Buddhism|B]][[ethics|e]][[Taoism|t]][[anarchism|a]][[postmodernism|_]][[metaphysics|M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) <span class="plainlinksneverexpand"><sup>[{{fullurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit§ion=new}} Talk]</sup></span>
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| − | == Admin privs ==
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| − | Dude, are you crazy???? Why do new users have admin privs??? Spam bots can just sign in and ruin the fuck out of this place... [[User:Infinity0|Infinity0]] 22:17, 20 Mar 2006 (UTC)
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| − | :Whoops, I thought you were the admin. [[User:Infinity0|Infinity0]] 22:23, 20 Mar 2006 (UTC)
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| − | :: It's ok... q;-) ~ [[User:Beta_M|User:]][[Buddhism|B]][[ethics|e]][[Taoism|t]][[anarchism|a]][[postmodernism|_]][[metaphysics|M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) <span class="plainlinksneverexpand"><sup>[{{fullurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit§ion=new}} Talk]</sup></span>
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| − | Hi beta_m. I think you won't be able to log into your user account since it starts with a lower-case letter. Perhaps this is due to a software upgrade. [[User:Rev 22|Rev 22]] 10:40, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
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| − | == Kategory Humor ==
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| − | I think we need this kategory. By the way your joke is good: http://www.whatwethink.org/kingston/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1024 ;) --[[User:X|X]] 06:28, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
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| − | : Go for it... i suggest that we make a subspace for it, though as well as the category, so that when people post links around it will be abvious that they are posting jokes... for example you can have [[Folklore:family trouble]]. The problem is also with the issue of [[copyright]], many jokes are around which have been pulled from [[magazine]]s like [[Maxim]] or [[Mad Magazine]], how to we differentiate it from true [[folklore]]? ~ [[User:Beta_M|User:]][[Buddhism|B]][[ethics|e]][[Taoism|t]][[anarchism|a]][[postmodernism|_]][[metaphysics|M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) <span class="plainlinksneverexpand"><sup>[{{fullurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit§ion=new}} Talk]</sup></span>
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| − | :: The reason for my idea of including humor is simple. If people hear the word anarchism, they see a picture with bottle-throwing chaots or black demo or fighting people in the tv-news... Anarchism is more, it's life what included also humor. Our aim should be to bring the idea of anarchism to the people, they should think it's perhaps my brother and not that anrchist people come from an other world... (I hope you can understand my intension with my bad English.) --[[User:X|X]] 19:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
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| − | ::: I had the feeling that this was the reason for your proposal. It's actually quite a fair point, and i agree with this, i was just saying that we need to be careful not to jeopardise the whole [[Anarchopedia]] project. ~ [[User:Beta_M|User:]][[Buddhism|B]][[ethics|e]][[Taoism|t]][[anarchism|a]][[postmodernism|_]][[metaphysics|M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) <span class="plainlinksneverexpand"><sup>[{{fullurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit§ion=new}} Talk]</sup></span>
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| − | == Request for comment :) ==
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| − | You are a poet, so I thought that perhaps you are interested in leaving a comment [[meta:User talk:Annemiek|here]]. ~[[User:Rev 22|''Rev 22'']] 15:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
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| − | ::Hey people I would like to leave a little comment myself. I feel this sites are a big step forward in Anarchy. By heart and by word. People.. Thanx to let me know that I ain't alone in my believes! hihi
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| − | Bye and keep up the good work!!
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| − | x and love
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| − | Annemiek --[[User:84.25.108.202|84.25.108.202]] 18:37, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
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| − | == [[ISS Revenge]] and [[:Category:Star Trek starships]] ==
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| − | Sorry to bug you again. These articles seems to be a parody or an original fiction of some sort. What do you think we should do of these? As with [[:Category:Essays]] and [[:Category:Poems]], I think there is a problem with non-encyclopedic articles sharing the same categories with encyclopedic ones. ~[[User:Rev 22|''Rev 22'']] 16:55, 30 April 2006 (UTC) | + | |
| − | : Here is how i approach the whole thing: Will somebody look for this [[information]] on the [[internet]]? If they will, then try to categorise the articles appropriately... decide yourself how to do that q;-); however, if nobody will ever actaully want to read that (well apart from a giggling original author) then there is that delete button on the top... [[User:Beta M|Beta M]]
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| − | Hehe, well that is my approach too. I am personally opposed to censoring content just because it is non-encyclopedic or unrelated to anarchism. Deletion/censorship is a very serious action which should be reserved only to "illegal" content or when database space is exhausted. Categories are supposed to be useful for finding "stuff", so there may be a problem when a category is clogged with non-encyclopedic content and one is looking for encyclopedic articles only. But this will probably become a serious problem only when Anarchopedia will have 100,000 or more articles ;).
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| − | BTW, I was thinking about moving the essays from [[:Category:Essays]] to [[:Category:Archived essays]] so that the former category can be used for articles '''about''' essays. ~[[User:Rev 22|''Rev 22'']] 17:32, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
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| − | Hello. Curious as to why you have imported a number of articles from "BoyWiki"? The site and subject matter in question, and the way the articles have been written, are extremely disturbing. Regards, [[User:Neo|Neo]] 16:28, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
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| − | :Multiple reasons. I will try to list the ones that come to mind immidiately... i'm a little bit in a hurry.
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| − | :# Information demands to be free. Some of those articles are a little bias (some are more than a little), but i think they were a very good starting point for a propper informative articles.
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| − | :# I to the large extent support [[childlove movement]].
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| − | :# I believe that this topic is becoming more and more relevant. And as such needs to be publicised. Even if you disagree with something, simply not talking about it won't make the world a better and freeer place.
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| − | :# I was trying to increase the number of articles in [[Anarchopedia]] by doing datadumps. I've not done that for a while, but that is partially due to the fact that i don't have much time.
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| − | : Well i am sure i have/had more reasons, but i can't remember all of them now. ~ [[User:Beta_M|Beta_M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) <sup>[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit§ion=new}} Talk]</sup> {{{1|17:08}}}
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| − | == Poetry in anarchopedia fr ==
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| − | Hi, anarchopedia fr has made a page for putting freely(librement) poesy on a page. (This initiative can be done in each language). It will probably become a zine, a mural, a brochure or another dysformed paper. You can also post poetry in other language than french. http://fra.anarchopedia.org/index.php/Recueil_de_po%C3%A9sie
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| − | :Wow, thanks a lot... q;-) ~ [[User:Beta_M|Beta_M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) <sup>[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit§ion=new}} Talk]</sup> {{{1|14:52}}}
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| − | == Vandalism ==
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| − | Reverting perfectly good edits is [[vandalism]]. You are driving good users away, and why? To protect those copying crap in from [[BoyWiki]] ? Your motives are suspect.
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| − | In particular, [[bald revert]]s to [[social sex]], [[mutual assured destruction]] and [[Talk:George W. Bush]] are all obviously motivated by your own political biases and beliefs. In none of these did you make an operational reference. If you want to know how [[malware]] is authored, spend some time in [[P2P]], you won't find it on google - you clearly didn't have time to do any research on that either.
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| − | No wonder "you were driven away from [[Wikipedia]]" and came here - you want to engage in power struggles and obviously you think you can win them easier here than there. Deletion of the [[wiki best practice]] page on specious grounds that you are in some position to define "[[trolling]]" objectively and [[sysop vandalism]] as a form of it, is also quite clearly evidence that you believe your own assessments of others' actions to be more important than their own. Re-examine, and restore if you see your own motives clearly. If not, others will have to watch you and start reverting you. [[Special:Contributions/142.177.114.25|142.177.114.25]]
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| − | :I'm sorry, your article about [[mutual assured destruction]] (a nuclear war term) has been linking anarchists to it, that is either trolling (trying to start edit wars/etc) or an attempt to discredit anarchist movement as the whole (sort of like talking about Dadaist rape gangs as the symbol of ultimate anarchy, or what-not). The reason i reverted [[social sex]] was due to the last sentense "This is thought by some analysts to be similar to the porn industry." I might be wrong (and i'll undo that revert right now (with the exception of that last edit) but it really looks more along the lines of "on the weels" trolls, who just come in to Anarchopedia and add nonsensical statements at the end of each paragraph (like "George Bush has been proven to be a pinguin on weels by some relgious scolars" or similar on George Bush article).
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| − | :I agree that i should have cooled it with the [[Talk:George Bush]] due to the fact that it was a Talk page, it was only when i saw the pattern emerging when i went back and re-examined all your edits. I still would see something like what you've put up belonging more on a user page or something, but if you want it on the talk page... fine. I'll be more careful reverting your stuff next time.
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| − | :You have to try to understand everything from more than one (yours) position, i didn't go after all your edits (which would clearly be trolling), but rather tried to understand them. But if we here (at Anarchopedia) will have a lot of nonsense articles then nobody will ever come back. I've not heard a single person who was ever trolled who'd glorify such an act. {{ll|Anarchy}} is anything '''but''' the alianation of a group of people due to the desire of others to "have fun".
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| − | :Finally, (i almost forgot) i stand by my edits regarding [[BoyWiki]] datadump. There is no point of being a half of an anarchist, you either support all freedom or you don't. ~ [[User:Beta_M|Beta_M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) <sup>[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit§ion=new}} Talk]</sup> [[2006]] [[October 11]] 14:58 <sub>([[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]])</sub>
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| − | == Whoa... WTF? ==
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| − | So what is this? An actual encyclopedia, or just a romping ground where you can randomly burninate everything? If it's just an encyclopedia, I want out. But if it's like a vandal playground, then sysop me and let me loose! [[User:Flameviper|Flameviper]] 19:47, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
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| − | :What the hell are you talking about? Also please don't edit the user pages, you can use Talk for discussion. ~ [[User:Beta_M|Beta_M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) <sup>[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit§ion=new}} Talk]</sup> [[2006]] [[October 20]] 22:52 <sub>([[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]])</sub>
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| − | Do not attempt to override consensus decisions and disrupt Wikipedia as you did [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Oxford_Monarchists&oldid=91831086 here]. I have nominated the recreated page for Speedy Deletion. --[[User:SandyDancer|SandyDancer]] 19:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
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| − | :Actually i've done neither. I didn't recreate the page, simply commented on the deletion. I didn't disrupt anything on wikipedia, simply allowed people to know that there is a healthier environtment to work in where there is no [[sysop vandalism]]. Peace. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:85.95.106.91|85.95.106.91]] ([[User talk:85.95.106.91|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/85.95.106.91|contribs]]) 23:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
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| − | ::What did this user attempt to do? When I click the link it doesn not tell me anything.--[[User:Couter-revolutionary|Couter-revolutionary]] 23:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
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| − | :::What he tried to do was recreate a delated page on Wikipedia. That page was then nominated for Speedy Deletion, and was duly deleted, so all records of it on WP have been deleted. --[[User:SandyDancer|SandyDancer]] 11:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
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| − | ::::That's true with the exception of the fact that i didn't do that. What i did was to [[Help:Talk page|comment]] on deletion. I didn't recreate the page (which i could have done, having preserved the contents of it), in fact i didn't even urge people to recreate it (which i could have done, having published the preserved contents [http://eng.anarchopedia.org/index.php/The_Oxford_Monarchists elsewhere]). So your [[logical consequence|argument]] simply holds no water my dear [[User:SandyDancer|SandyDancer]], as all it's [[premise (argument)|premices]] are in fact false. What was i actually trying to do, you ask, well i was pointing out that [[WP:NOT#ANARCHY|Wikipedia is not Anarchy]] [http://meta.anarchopedia.org/ Anarchopedia], however, is. I was also making a point that even though some people find it [[sadness|sad]] to [[thought|think]] about it (and try to create a conflict), but [[WP:NOT#CENSORED|Wikipedia '''is''' Censored]]. {{unsigned|85.95.106.91}}
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| − | :::::Talk of censorship is nonsense. Why would anyone seek to censor an article like that anyway? It is hardly a contentious subject matter - it is a student club.
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| − | :::::Regarding my comment that you recreated a page - you did. You re-created the talk page, meaning someone had to come along and delete it. I accept you didn't try and recreate the actual article itself. --[[User:SandyDancer|SandyDancer]] 22:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
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| − | When you want to figure out if something is being censored or not you cannot ask people who delete the content, it's like using the belief of a rapist to judge if the act was a [[rape]]. Complitely ridiculous. The fact that you assume that somebody "had to" delete my words even refering to the article show that it was in fact censorshit and not some form of non-"contentious" subject matter. And "You recreated the page, but you didn't recreate the page, you talked about it" is complete insult to intelligence. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Anarchopedia|Anarchopedian]] ([[User talk:85.95.106.91|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/85.95.106.91|contribs]]) 23:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
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| − | :OMFG, [[Anarchopedia]] article itself is deleted... and you are still going to tell me that it's not censorship?
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| − | In that Mirabello article, the quote I moved will appear in his forthcoming book "Handbook for Rebels and Outlaws." I think it originally was in "attributed" because he often uses it in lectures.
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| − | Do you want me to change the edit back to the earlier version? --[[User:Blackhood|Blackhood]] 02:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
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| − | == Hi Beta M :) ==
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| − | Hi Beta M! :)<br>
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| − | Just a quick hello from a newcomer! Keep up the good work! :) Cheers! [[User:Zyzygy|Zyzygy]] 01:57, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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| − | == nooo... :) ==
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| − | The intention of ''our article'' should be just a critique of the concept of "race". Article from en.wiki has a lot of info and I am working on it. So, my intention is to make an article about "race", not about ethnicity. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 06:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
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| − | :I withdraw my objections... let it be [[race]]. ~ [[User:Beta_M|User:]][[Buddhism|B]][[ethics|e]][[Taoism|t]][[anarchism|a]][[postmodernism|_]][[metaphysics|M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) <span class="plainlinksneverexpand"><sup>[{{fullurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit§ion=new}} Talk]</sup></span> [[2007]] [[July 24]] 07:22 <sub>([[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]])</sub>
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| − | Thanks, that sounds like a nice idea (using the Unicode symbol for the title). ~[[User:Rev 22|''Rev 22'']] 12:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
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| − | Please go to [[Special:Preferences#prefsection-4|your preferences]] and click the "Mark edits I make as patrolled" box, for ease of vandalism patrol (while "hiding patrolled edits" at [[Special:Recentchanges]]). Thanks! [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 12:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
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| − | :Done... I just didn't want to make it ever appear that i want to snick in any edits past anybody... I thought it'd be a good policy to have a couple of people "agree" to the edit before it's patrolled. But the spam situation is getting out of hand again, so i'll keep that point to myself for now. ~ [[User:Beta_M|User:]][[Buddhism|B]][[ethics|e]][[Taoism|t]][[anarchism|a]][[postmodernism|_]][[metaphysics|M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) <span class="plainlinksneverexpand"><sup>[{{fullurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit§ion=new}} Talk]</sup></span> [[2007]] [[September 7]] 17:48 <sub>([[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]])</sub>
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| − | ::Heh, the "patrol" option is mostly for countering vandalism, I guess, so we won't have to check edits twice. As you are not a vandal, I don't really think anyone will think you snick past them :). Cheers! [[User:Koekje|Koekje]] 17:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
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