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| − | + | ''Please write here whether if this article should be conserved or deleted. Please explain yourself with well-founded reasons.'' | |
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| − | == | + | ==LS Studio's article deletion== |
| − | + | Have an idea the time this article lasted here and now you just delete it without asking for opinions or suggestions like if you were the owher of Anarchopedia? | |
| − | + | Since there has not been any discussion about. I will restore the article and open a discussion thread in order to determinate what other users believe plus a ban telling that it has been proposed for deletion. | |
| − | + | Please, do not delete articles just because you don't like it or you believe are not appropiated. Remember that your thoughts are not worlwide ones! | |
| − | + | [[User:Lsmodelclub|Lsmodelclub]] | |
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| − | + | :: The time something is up, does not guarantee protection. I deleted this article not out of a desire for power or because "ownership of apedia", but because my concience left me not other choice. I would have deleted fascist propaganda if I could, and would it have been as old as the wiki itself. | |
| + | ::The time this was up, and the cooperation of people wrting here regularly is the only reason I even argue with you... because I am just shocked by this and this needs to be adressed. | ||
| + | :: Concerning anarchist terms: ths is an absolute veto from me as a member of this community which declares itself anarchist - means to struggle for an end to dominance, discriminaton and exploitaton. Because this page does not fit in with this direction, but against it. | ||
| + | ::I don't have to wait for "anarchist authorities" or the community to allow the deletion. We will discuss it here, but the article will not stay there until it is severly changed (away with the whole production catalogue and all its elements, clearly outspoken against child porn and studios producing it). | ||
| − | + | ::* sexual exploitation of children is most clearly a transgression against nearly any anarchist value. | |
| − | + | ::The power imbalance in relations between children and adults is obvious. Especially in the public sexualization of children. | |
| + | ::People who confuse the struggle for freedom with the freedom to exploit others, have no place in the anarchist movement. | ||
| + | ::* there is a catalogue of titled films making them searchable, the information given is mostly useful to consumers of the studios products. | ||
| + | ::* there is not even critique aside the "freedom of the arts" blabla, citing only the studio itself. There is not even a clear position against child pornography, it is a "controversy". The whole text is a seemingly neutral to positive portrayal and with this advertising the studio. | ||
| + | ::And so is even your nickname, this makes me want to vomit. | ||
| + | ::* this was deleted on the spanish anarchopedia already. I propose for similar reasons as here. Were these also people acting as "owners of anarchopedia" or anarchists that chose not to be indifferent towards exploitaton. The sexualization of children is by any means not a "victimless crime", in this case there are real children who are exploited in reality and being profited from. Not concerning the fact, that a very relevant social taboo is broken up. It is by any means not censorship to claim that children should not be sex objects for adults. [[User:Krähe|Krähe]] | ||
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| − | + | Quote: ''but the article will not stay there until it is severly changed (away with the whole production catalogue and all its elements, clearly outspoken against child porn and studios producing it).'' | |
| − | :' | + | :I will delete LS-Studio's production table and all information related to their site-projects. Then, without that information, I may reupload the article. Are you happy now? |
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| − | + | Quote: ''And so is even your nickname, this makes me want to vomit'' | |
| − | + | :Please, respect my nickname since I haven't said nothing about yours. | |
| − | + | :[[User:Lsmodelclub|Lsmodelclub]] | |
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| − | [[User: | + | ::As said and cited by you, no I will not be. In my view an article like this should voice a clear anarchist positon on such a studio. Concerning the nickname - logic? You name yourself after a child porn studio, you endorse in that way. I name myself the german word for "crow". Different quality, huh? [[User:Krähe|Krähe]] |
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| − | + | :::So, dear friend Krähe: seems to be you will not let me reupload the article, do you? | |
| + | :::[[User:Lsmodelclub|Lsmodelclub]] | ||
| − | + | :::: I think I have set very clear conditions what I think I find acceptable concernign the article. How about bringing your arguments instead of complaining [[User:Krähe|Krähe]] | |
| − | + | Those child abuse/pro-pedophilian articles were imported by people, mostly because they thought it has something to do with freedom of speech. But at Anarchopedia your freedom ends, if it cuts the freedom of another human being and that's the certain case with this type of articles. Why? Because children have a right to develop their own sexuality in freedom and that means without any adults sexually exploiting them! | |
| − | + | A Child's sexuality and an adult's sexuality are two completely different worlds that will never go along. Even if you are not physically forcing the child, but you try to explain to her/him what you are going to do to her/him, they aren't able to understand you. There cannot be a consensual decision between you and a child about sex. Likewise I could ask you in a language you do not speak, if it is ok that I'm going to kill you, I could just kill you and afterwards claim that we had a consensus about it... Afterwards it's too late to undo it, same with child abuse, the abused child will even suffer from it as an adult. Finally, because there cannot be a consensus between a child and an adult about sexual matters, it became one of the strongest social taboos, which men and women will keep in an anarchist society. | |
| − | + | And you are wrong if you think, there haven't been any discussions about the deletion of this certain article, I just forgot to delete it. If there are more pro-pedophilian articles at Anarchopedia, they are free for deletion. Anarchopedians wasted years of discussions about articles at Anarchopedia that advertise pedophilia and there were Anarchopedians, who finally left this wiki, because of the pro-child abuse articles. Furthermore, the pro-child abuse articles already prevented people from joining this project.'''The time of tolerance is over!''' I won't discuss this topic anymore, '''child porn and any other kind of child abuse is anti-anarchist'''. | |
| − | [[ | + | *[[Talk:paedophilia]] |
| − | + | ''(btw your nick name is digusting!)'' | |
| + | --[[User:Maly krtek|Maly Krtek]] 20:21, 25 May 2011 (UTC) | ||
| − | + | It is fortunate I transfered this and other articles to a more tolerant place, once I and clearly some others were naive and thought anarchists would be more tolerant of pedophilia. I regard regard this "children can't consent therefore sex between children and adults is always wrong" to be a relatively recent construct and not some eternal truth independent of historical context, yes maybe children can't give consent in the same way adults do but my question is why should it really matter, I believe it is percisely because of this construct that has become absolute dogma that children are harmed so, our culture has many hypocritical and down right toxic attitudes towards sexuality not that others don't I guess. I believe in a world where it is possible for children and adults to hve sex and the child not to be harmed, yes I know I am going to come off as a deluded idealist and sicko pervert but these are my beliefs and once I thought anarchists might have been more perceptive to them. Oh well I don't know why I am typing this as it is only going to get deleted I have too much time I guess. | |
| − | + | - Anarchism is not "do everything you want regardless of the costs" but "care for eacht other, life in peace and solidarity, share the colelctive ressources and do not exercise power" | |
| − | + | Why should we tolerate someone who clearly places his own pleasure above the lifes and luck of others? Sexuality without consent is cleary defined, this is rape!!! That has nothing to do with hyprocritical attitudes towards sex, its a simple matter of fact. Who ignores this, is not a equal partner or something but a rapist (in wait). As an adult you are always in a position of power and dominance, if you want that or not. If you are attracted to children, for the sake of you potential victims, don't relativize your desires with historical examples of accepted pedophilia or telling yourself it's ok because it has to be: | |
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Latest revision as of 18:22, 19 June 2011
Discussion thread: destination of the article[edit]
Please write here whether if this article should be conserved or deleted. Please explain yourself with well-founded reasons.
LS Studio's article deletion[edit]
Have an idea the time this article lasted here and now you just delete it without asking for opinions or suggestions like if you were the owher of Anarchopedia?
Since there has not been any discussion about. I will restore the article and open a discussion thread in order to determinate what other users believe plus a ban telling that it has been proposed for deletion.
Please, do not delete articles just because you don't like it or you believe are not appropiated. Remember that your thoughts are not worlwide ones!
- The time something is up, does not guarantee protection. I deleted this article not out of a desire for power or because "ownership of apedia", but because my concience left me not other choice. I would have deleted fascist propaganda if I could, and would it have been as old as the wiki itself.
- The time this was up, and the cooperation of people wrting here regularly is the only reason I even argue with you... because I am just shocked by this and this needs to be adressed.
- Concerning anarchist terms: ths is an absolute veto from me as a member of this community which declares itself anarchist - means to struggle for an end to dominance, discriminaton and exploitaton. Because this page does not fit in with this direction, but against it.
- I don't have to wait for "anarchist authorities" or the community to allow the deletion. We will discuss it here, but the article will not stay there until it is severly changed (away with the whole production catalogue and all its elements, clearly outspoken against child porn and studios producing it).
- sexual exploitation of children is most clearly a transgression against nearly any anarchist value.
- The power imbalance in relations between children and adults is obvious. Especially in the public sexualization of children.
- People who confuse the struggle for freedom with the freedom to exploit others, have no place in the anarchist movement.
- there is a catalogue of titled films making them searchable, the information given is mostly useful to consumers of the studios products.
- there is not even critique aside the "freedom of the arts" blabla, citing only the studio itself. There is not even a clear position against child pornography, it is a "controversy". The whole text is a seemingly neutral to positive portrayal and with this advertising the studio.
- And so is even your nickname, this makes me want to vomit.
- this was deleted on the spanish anarchopedia already. I propose for similar reasons as here. Were these also people acting as "owners of anarchopedia" or anarchists that chose not to be indifferent towards exploitaton. The sexualization of children is by any means not a "victimless crime", in this case there are real children who are exploited in reality and being profited from. Not concerning the fact, that a very relevant social taboo is broken up. It is by any means not censorship to claim that children should not be sex objects for adults. Krähe
Quote: but the article will not stay there until it is severly changed (away with the whole production catalogue and all its elements, clearly outspoken against child porn and studios producing it).
- I will delete LS-Studio's production table and all information related to their site-projects. Then, without that information, I may reupload the article. Are you happy now?
Quote: And so is even your nickname, this makes me want to vomit
- Please, respect my nickname since I haven't said nothing about yours.
- As said and cited by you, no I will not be. In my view an article like this should voice a clear anarchist positon on such a studio. Concerning the nickname - logic? You name yourself after a child porn studio, you endorse in that way. I name myself the german word for "crow". Different quality, huh? Krähe
- So, dear friend Krähe: seems to be you will not let me reupload the article, do you?
- Lsmodelclub
- I think I have set very clear conditions what I think I find acceptable concernign the article. How about bringing your arguments instead of complaining Krähe
Those child abuse/pro-pedophilian articles were imported by people, mostly because they thought it has something to do with freedom of speech. But at Anarchopedia your freedom ends, if it cuts the freedom of another human being and that's the certain case with this type of articles. Why? Because children have a right to develop their own sexuality in freedom and that means without any adults sexually exploiting them!
A Child's sexuality and an adult's sexuality are two completely different worlds that will never go along. Even if you are not physically forcing the child, but you try to explain to her/him what you are going to do to her/him, they aren't able to understand you. There cannot be a consensual decision between you and a child about sex. Likewise I could ask you in a language you do not speak, if it is ok that I'm going to kill you, I could just kill you and afterwards claim that we had a consensus about it... Afterwards it's too late to undo it, same with child abuse, the abused child will even suffer from it as an adult. Finally, because there cannot be a consensus between a child and an adult about sexual matters, it became one of the strongest social taboos, which men and women will keep in an anarchist society.
And you are wrong if you think, there haven't been any discussions about the deletion of this certain article, I just forgot to delete it. If there are more pro-pedophilian articles at Anarchopedia, they are free for deletion. Anarchopedians wasted years of discussions about articles at Anarchopedia that advertise pedophilia and there were Anarchopedians, who finally left this wiki, because of the pro-child abuse articles. Furthermore, the pro-child abuse articles already prevented people from joining this project.The time of tolerance is over! I won't discuss this topic anymore, child porn and any other kind of child abuse is anti-anarchist.
(btw your nick name is digusting!) --Maly Krtek 20:21, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
It is fortunate I transfered this and other articles to a more tolerant place, once I and clearly some others were naive and thought anarchists would be more tolerant of pedophilia. I regard regard this "children can't consent therefore sex between children and adults is always wrong" to be a relatively recent construct and not some eternal truth independent of historical context, yes maybe children can't give consent in the same way adults do but my question is why should it really matter, I believe it is percisely because of this construct that has become absolute dogma that children are harmed so, our culture has many hypocritical and down right toxic attitudes towards sexuality not that others don't I guess. I believe in a world where it is possible for children and adults to hve sex and the child not to be harmed, yes I know I am going to come off as a deluded idealist and sicko pervert but these are my beliefs and once I thought anarchists might have been more perceptive to them. Oh well I don't know why I am typing this as it is only going to get deleted I have too much time I guess.
- Anarchism is not "do everything you want regardless of the costs" but "care for eacht other, life in peace and solidarity, share the colelctive ressources and do not exercise power" Why should we tolerate someone who clearly places his own pleasure above the lifes and luck of others? Sexuality without consent is cleary defined, this is rape!!! That has nothing to do with hyprocritical attitudes towards sex, its a simple matter of fact. Who ignores this, is not a equal partner or something but a rapist (in wait). As an adult you are always in a position of power and dominance, if you want that or not. If you are attracted to children, for the sake of you potential victims, don't relativize your desires with historical examples of accepted pedophilia or telling yourself it's ok because it has to be: go. get. some. help.
