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2007-11-27T16:12:47Z

Popperipopp: Swedish Anarchopedia

With old rewrite rules it was not possible to upload files. With new it is possible. You will see links like ".../index.php/some_page", but it is possible to type "http://deu.anarchopedia.org/some page" and your url will be rewritten to "http;//deu.anarchopedia.org/index.php/some_page". When we would have some faster machines or some better MediaWiki code, we would have "nice urls", too. --[[User:millosh|millosh]] 05:32, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

i don't get the sense of the featured articel [[Anarchopedia:troll]]
this is vandalism, isn't it? --[[User:83.64.198.175|83.64.198.175]] 14:16, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Doesn't look like vandalism to me. No page history. Yet perhaps, a misunderstanding. --[[User:atotland|Anni]] 07:03, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

==QUESTION, JESUS CHRIST==
I added this edit like a YEAR AGO, or something like that. And I'm going to point it out again. From the main page:

'''If you can't understand English, use the this page to choose your own language.'''

IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND ENGLISH, YOU CAN'T READ THAT TEXT. SO WTF IS THE POINT OF EXPLAINING? ROFLCOPTER. [[User:71.246.245.50|71.246.245.50]] 08:33, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

== Spammers ==

Is anyone against implementation of SpamBlacklist extension with initial Wikimedia-CreativeCommons list? --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:02, 26 May 2005 (CDT)

If no one has anything against in the next seven days, I'll implement it on Meta. (I am asking all communities for that: i.e. people from Meta, [[:deu:]], [[:eng:]] and [[:fra:]]. I'll implement it on [http://hrv.anarchopedia.org/ hrv:]] because I don't think that my friend Marko has anything against it.) --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]]

== Forum ==

(From Meta:) [[:fra:User:Blackat|Blackat]] from French Anarchopedia asked me to open forum. I didn't open under anarchopedia.org, but I opened one multilingual forum (phpBB2) on http://forum.anarhija.org/ . If anynone thinks that it is useful, please use it. --[[User:Millosh|Milos Rancic]] 08:22, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== "Anarchy," but registration required to contribute? ==

It seems like a gross contradiction in principle to require registration with a central database in order to contribute to a supposedly anarchic project. How can this possibly be justified? If the answer is "to avoid vandalism," isn't that massively hypocritical, given that that's the exact answer oligarchists and every other sort of pro-government political theorists would proffer to the question of why centralized government is necessary?

Crypto-anarchists are having a good laugh at this project.

:[[mediawiki]] sucks, as it requires a central database, but at the moment it is the state of the art for wiki sites. Requiring registration was a measure adopted to counter spam from scripts (I don't agree with it also, as it may discourage some contributors). [[User:rev 22|rev 22]] 22:19, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)

:A few more things, for registering you are not required to provide your real name or an email. You can also use an account without an hidden password like [[User:a]] did (user name and password are the same). Using IPs doesn't provide real anonymity. [[User:rev 22|rev 22]] 01:14, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)

::Would it be possible to allow unregistered users to contribute but have some sort of image with text in it and a text field in which they must type what is in the image, to prevent bots from editing? While I agree that requiring registration isn't ideal, registering provides a ''hell of a lot'' more anonymity for the contributor, since the IP address is hidden. [[User:Olive|Olive]] 18:27, 23 Feb 2006 (UTC)

:::I don't think that this would be a normal [[Media Wiki]] behaviour, that's requre a little [[hacking]] of the [[source code|code]]. {{User:beta_m/sig}}

::::Regisration IS NOT required. I didnt register, and look, im editing a page.

::::: as you see, SOME anarchist don't change anything, they just addapt themselves in existing rules, behavior: "You are not logged in. Your IP address will be recorded in this page's edit history." clear spying. therefore, I will maybe contribute but only from libraries. not because I am paranoic than because I don't want to accept spying.
:::::: Your IP is always logged on every site you go to. If you donot want your IP to be shown in teh recentchanges list, just use a proxy , tor ur get an account here. --[[User:Blackredisbeautiful|Blackredisbeautiful]] 14:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

We are using [[MediaWiki]] software. If you are willing to write your own php [[Wiki]] engine under the [[free software|free]] license that is capatible both ways with MediaWiki and runs on the [[server (computing)|servers]] at our disposal, and then find the way to remove the logs from the [[internet service provider]], which will keep the logs even if we ask them not to, we are willing to change. Rather than whine like you just did, i got my ass in gear and next year i'm working on the project [http://freekiwiki.sf.net freekiwiki] which will allow to edit and view Wiki on the [[freenet]].  ~ [[User:Beta_M|Beta_M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit&section=new}} Talk] {{{1|17:03}}}

== Access for non-english-speaking peoples ==

IMHO is it a bad way, writing in a text in english how to change the language. If someone does not understand english, he_she will even not understand how to change the language of the anarchopedia-site.
It seems to be better, if there will be a list at the left side of the page as in the wikipedia or the german version of the anarchopedia.
--[[User:farnpflanze|farnpflanze]] 20:37, 28 Jan 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks for the suggestion, I have added the links on the left side as on deu.anarchopedia (these are called ''interwiki links''). [[User:a|Anonymous]] 21:28, 28 Jan 2006 (UTC)

== reorganizing the main page ==

The Main Page is very overwhelming in my opinion. I think there are way too many links. In fact, I'm a bit puzzled by the Equipment for Life page in general. What exactly is the intent in that section? I would recommend something simpler such as what is happening at infoshop.org's [http://www.infoshop.org encylopedia]
respectfully,
Clay

P.S. I made an example of what I'm thinking- [[Test Main Page]]
:I think [[deu:Hauptseite|deu]], [[fra:|fra]] and [[pol:|pol]], habe really nice Main Pages why don`t use them as an inspiration? --[[User:Blackredisbeautiful|Blackredisbeautiful]] 11:33, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
== excuse me ==

are you those guys that wander around complaining about everything since the world was created but no one really cares and people do what they want as if you didn't even exist?
children i'm sorry but look at you with a website and all this blablabla and searching engine and stuff, you're doing just the same thing those you complain so much about do. admit children, you're going nowhere 'cause you got nowhere to go, you just having fun pissing people off. it's impossible to live in anarchy. sorry if i broke your little hearts. an exemple is that someone is going to attack me here (or not 'cause i said this) because i said what i think. or anyway, you got leadership, ideology and exemples to follow just like nazis and/or animals and are violent with those who disagree just like fascists and/or jesus, and that's why people laugh at you.
:I hope you won't consider my reply an "attack":
:*this website ([[Anarchopedia]]) is an experiment in anarchy, but it is not run by an affinity group or closed circle of anarchists, anybody can partecipate;
:*many, probably most anarchists today are pacifists or non-violent. I personally consider that violations of the basic human rights and violence are unacceptable, unless for self defense when all other means have been exhausted. [[User:Rev 22|''Rev 22'']] 16:37, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
::Im not attacking anyone either, but im glad the "just compare them to nazis" strategy is still in use. Its so easy, isn't it? Every group has leaders, ideology, and examples to follow, but as long as you label your opponent as a nazi you can win pretty much every arguement. And can someone give me an example of a time Jesus was ever violent with those who disagreed with him? Or violent period?

== anarcho-philosophy ==

hey people, I am a new Anarchist in the elite of philosophical anarchism. i was wondering if u people would like some neologsim? tell me what you think, alrgight...cause i created some neologism articles in wikipedia, and would like readers to spread the NEWS! --[[User:L O R D X101|L O R D X101]] 23:16, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[[User:Xinyu]]

:I am personally interested in it. I think we need neologisms to catalyze and boost the revolution ;). ~[[User:Rev 22|''Rev 22'']] 13:12, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

==Please, someone, do, concisely differentiate==

this website from wiki.

Also, how do you handle requests regarding policy changes??

Wiki has thousands, millions, of excellent articles.

I, sometimes, feel as if I've learned more there than I had in various schools [that's 'sixties, 'seventies, somewhat 'eighties].

However, since I'm not in the clique, much of what I do is deleted, paricularly where I wiki-complain.

So, their knowledgebase can't grow as quickly as it might.

&, how did you get permission f/ the wikisoftware??

[[User:Hopiakuta|Hopiakuta]] 05:05, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hello Hopiakuta, I will try to answer:
:*[[Anarchopedia]] does not have a detailed policy like Wikipedia, this is one of the main point about being anarchist; you can define broad principles but a detailed policy would require some kind of central enforcement.
:*[[Wikipedia]] has many more articles, but also many more active users. English Anarchopedia is not much right now (usually it has around 1-3 active users), but I think German Anarchopedia has been progressing very well.
:*[[Mediawiki]] is free software, so anybody can use it to create a website.
:Welcome to Anarchopedia, by the way. ~[[User:Rev 22|''Rev 22'']] 13:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank You.

Does that mean that if I create a page, no more "speed - delete"?

Does that mean that if I write a new page,

or add to other persons', prior to deletion:

negotiation??

If I complain, is there discussion, or vengeance?

Is there a way to migrate pages to here, other than copy|paste? [wikipedia pages?]

Thank You.

[[User:Hopiakuta|Hopiakuta]] 16:15, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

:Well, in general only spam or complete nonsense gets deleted. Every registered user is a sysop in Anarchopedia (immediately or three days after first edit), so everybody can delete or undelete pages.
:My personal convintion is that "power tripping" is the origin of most of the vengeances and the mobbing seen in Wikipedia. This happens because Wikipedia adopts a hierarchical social model, with separate classes of users (banned users, registered users, admins, arbitrators...), basically people who claim power over other people.
:It is possible to automate the import of pages from Wikipedia, but at the moment copy and paste seems the only way. You can read or modify the related proposal at [[Anarchopedia:Wikipedia datadump]].
:See you, ~[[User:Rev 22|''Rev 22'']] 21:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

==Uh, oh,...==

I'm attempting to decide which emotion to have,...

The phrase "spam or complete nonsense",... ahem,...

If you check my record there:

I post;

often within three minutes, someone accuses me of "spam", or "nonsense", or an "attack", or some synonym;...

delete, delete;...

This process can occur without my participation, or knowledge:

I eat; use other websites; watch television; run errands; sleep;...

So, no appeal, no defense,... nothing.

Now, in case you haven't noticed, my brain's different: so, I format sentences differently.
I am different.

Now, if people could negotiate, & try to be positive; well, I could scribe about thousands of my perspectives, such as:

disability-access;

disability-culture;

emotional-disability;

cognitive-disability;

physical-disability;

transit;

racism;

economy;

politic;

turtles;

other pets;

my internet experiences;...

I do need a website that wants this dialogue.

Is this it??

Thank You.

[[User:Hopiakuta|Hopiakuta]] 23:15, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

While I was writing that, cbs ran a story about:

< http://pigeonblog.mapyourcity.net/blurb.php >;

< http://pigeonblog.mapyourcity.net >;

< http://pigeonblog.mapyourcity.net/blurb.php >:

"PigeonBlog provides an alternative way to participate environmental air pollution data gathering. The project equips urban homing pigeons with GPS enabled electronic air pollution sensing devices capable of sending real-time location based air pollution and image data to an online mapping/blogging environment. Pigeonblog is a social public experiment between human and non-human animals.

"PigeonBlog will be launched at ISEA 2006 in San Jose."

&, they wear "tiny backpacks", according to Mr. Bob Schieffer, cbs.

[[User:Hopiakuta|Hopiakuta]] 23:15, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I am not sure what is it that you mean exactly, but I guess it is ok. By spam I referred to commercial spam, advertisement or repeated linking to commercial sites. These are unwanted because Anarchism is anti-capitalist. Capitalism is incompatible with social justice. You can use your preferred way to express yourself. When something has a meaning to someone, it is not a non-sense, or at least this is how I see it. ~[[User:Rev 22|''Rev 22'']] 23:50, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank You.

Possibly, I'll scribe articles on those issues. I do hope to do so soon. Even, including the "tiny backpack" pigeons. If I do that one, I would likely cross-reference such issues as: pollution; global-warming;...

When I had registered, I had created various userpages, w/ variations of my screenname. I, now, realize that it would be preferable to merge & redirect. If you have guidance pages on that, someone, please do say.

Thank You.

[[User:Hopiakuta|Hopiakuta]] 00:32, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

It's simple. To redirect them, you have to replace the content of your pages with:
:<code><nowiki>#redirect [[User:Hopiakuta]]</nowiki></code>
(or <nowiki>[[User talk:Hopiakuta]]</nowiki>, if you prefer). ~[[User:Rev 22|''Rev 22'']] 01:26, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank You.

It does seem that some functions are the same as wikipedia. It does seem that others are, to varying degrees, different.

I've read much on wikipedia regarding "merge"; but, I've never attempted it. I do want to learn that, amongst other issues.

Thank You.

[[User:Hopiakuta|Hopiakuta]] 16:21, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Look out for vandals ==
220.239.134.188 is vandalising. --[[User:80.176.94.14|80.176.94.14]] 15:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Please, may we see some examples?

Possibly, via a [[historylog]] [-s] {one, or several}?

Thank You.

[[User:Hopiakuta|Hopiakuta]] 20:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== Boywiki ==

Why are there so many articles copied from the boywiki? There biased, written from the point of view of pedophiles, and just plain creepy. Why dont we just make our own articles instead?
--[[User:Carlostmpl|Carlostmpl]] 21:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)Carlostmpl

== Formatting/editing ==

is there a way to get all the cool editing buttons (you know, the ones that automatically write the code for doing bold or italics and all that)? as well, i can't really figure out the method for linking to images in the wikipedia commons. where is this info!!!??? [[User:Murderbike|Murderbike]] 05:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

oh yeah, and stuff like infoboxes. can we use those? [[User:Murderbike|Murderbike]] 05:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

:You'll need to speek to [[User:Millosh]] about doing changes to the Anarchopedia, that's regarding buttons in the edit. Personally i don't like them.
:As for linking to images from [[Wikipedia]] commons, i say that if (and only if) they are in [[public domain]] or both copylefted and relevant to [[anarchism]] you will want to reupload them to [http://meta.anarchopedia.org/]. But i think there is a way to link to wikipedia also, i'm not really sure how though.  ~ [[User:Beta_M|User:]][[Buddhism|B]][[ethics|e]][[Taoism|t]][[anarchism|a]][[postmodernism|_]][[metaphysics|M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) [{{fullurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit&section=new}} Talk] [[2007]] [[January 13]] 09:06 ([[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]])

==McAffrey antivirus==

... program complains about Anarchopedia, because it does not like the link to Ugly.(something) - I am using a different machine, so cannot give the full URL.

Is this a problem that can be resolved?

== Clean-up ==

We really need to clean the Main page up... it looks like a link farm much more than a start page. I personally like [[:ru:Ð—Ð°Ð³Ð»Ð°Ð²Ð½Ð°Ñ ÑÑ‚Ñ€Ð°Ð½Ð¸Ñ†Ð°]] (i didn't make that, so i'm more or less objective)  ~ [[User:Beta_M|User:]][[Buddhism|B]][[ethics|e]][[Taoism|t]][[anarchism|a]][[postmodernism|_]][[metaphysics|M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) [{{fullurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit&section=new}} Talk] [[2007]] [[August 19]] 16:49 ([[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]])

:I've used Main Page on meta as a template and created a proposed [[New Main Page]]. However, i think i've messed something up. Please go and check it out.  ~ [[User:Beta_M|User:]][[Buddhism|B]][[ethics|e]][[Taoism|t]][[anarchism|a]][[postmodernism|_]][[metaphysics|M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) [{{fullurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit&section=new}} Talk] [[2007]] [[August 22]] 09:48 ([[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]])
::Ok, since nobody said anything, i'm moving.  ~ [[User:Beta_M|User:]][[Buddhism|B]][[ethics|e]][[Taoism|t]][[anarchism|a]][[postmodernism|_]][[metaphysics|M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) [{{fullurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit&section=new}} Talk] [[2007]] [[August 27]] 07:17 ([[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]])

:I think the renewal was needed, so thank you. Do we still need to call for Wikipedia editors in the heading? It doesn't seem we got new long-term editors from Wikipedia in the last two years (okay, maybe just one or two...). ~[[User:Rev 22|''Rev 22'']] 22:20, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

== The spambot ==

We have dealt with the website spammer for I don't know how long. Whether the spammer is automated or not is a mystery. But now, there is another spammer, possibly [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Beware_the_Vandalbot this vandalbot] due to the pattern) that inserts random gibberish into articles. This is probably automated, and I am not sure whether they're open proxies (don't know that much about networking or how to know whether it is a proxy or not), but it is a real problem. I don't know if this is the same person (or the same one behind the bot, if one or both is automated) as the linkspammer or not.

The IP addresses:

[[Special:Contributions/69.64.140.234]]

[[Special:Contributions/62.245.111.83]]

[[Special:Contributions/192.18.100.7]]

[[Special:Contributions/200.31.42.3]]

[[Special:Contributions/203.160.1.146]]

[[Special:Contributions/202.46.116.114]]

Maybe we should put a CAPTCHA or something on the edit screen to stop the automated bots, so that spambots couldn't attack, and so it won't limit anyone's freedom. I would like this problem taken care of. It's pretty annoying to revert block ignore. [[User:Anonymity|'''''<big>A</big>NONYMI''''']][[User talk:Anonymity|'''''T''''']][[User:Anonymity|'''''Y''''']][[Special:Emailuser/Anonymity|@]] 00:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

==Swedish Anarchopedia==
Why can't non-members edit the Swedish Anarchopedia any more? [[User:Popperipopp|Popperipopp]] 16:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Template talk:spoilers

2007-08-13T20:49:48Z

Popperipopp:

I think that this kind of templates are paternalistic. It was introduced on English Wikipedia, copied on other Wikipedias, but then removed from English Wikipedia. I think that we shouldn't have such templates. (I know that [[User:Popperipopp|Popperipopp]] has the best intentions, but... At least, we should talk about this.) --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 15:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

:I don't mind if you delete it. I just saw it in an article and created it. Just of curiosity, in what way do you think they are paternalistic? People probably prefers to be noticed about that sort of stuff beforehand, don't you think? --[[User:Popperipopp|Popperipopp]] 20:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Template:spoilers

2007-08-13T12:34:29Z

Popperipopp:

:''Warning! The following text is a [[Spoiler|spoiler]].''

Socialisme ou Barbarie

2007-08-13T12:33:22Z

Popperipopp:

'''Socialisme ou Barbarie''' was a [[Libertarian socialism|libertarian socialist]] group based in France. They were most active during the years following [[World War II]] (1948-1965). One of the more proponent people in the group was [[Cornelius Castoriadis]], also known as Pierre Chaulieu and Paul Cardan.

[[Category:Libertarian socialism]]

Victor Serge

2007-08-12T23:43:37Z

Popperipopp:

'''Victor Serge''' ([[1890]] in [[Brussels]] - [[1947]] in [[Mexico City]]) was a russian-polish [[Anarchism|anarchist]]. After the [[Russian revolution]] in [[1917]] Serge abbandoned his anarchist path and became a Bolshevik-communist in the newly founded [[Soviet Union]]. During the 1920:s shattering in the Bolshevik party Serge joined with the leftish opposition for [[Trotsky]], against [[Stalin]]. He spent the the years 1933-1936 in Soviet prison. After his releasemant he moved to France where he, once again, became an anarchist, critical to all forms of communism, even though he still defended some of [[Lenin]] and [[Trotsky]]s actions.

==Reference==
* Serge, Victor, ''Memories of a revolutionary'' (1951)

[[Category:Russian anarchists]]

Talk:Anarchopedia:Community Portal

2007-08-12T23:19:41Z

Popperipopp: /* Case sensitivity */

<center>Welcome to '''Anarchopedias Community Portal!'''</center>

==Disambiguation pages==
Ive noticed a lot of disambiguation pages, epsecially ones about abbreviations, that dont actually have any articles to direct to. What is the point of this?--[[User:151.199.25.180|151.199.25.180]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Ive noticed that too, and ive sterted deleting them [[User:Carlostmpl|Carlostmpl]]

GFDL is not appropriate to a wiki. Should be replaced by GNU GPL or a Creative Common Licence
(discussion on meta community portal)

:I think we should make this a lot more organised. Wikipedia's articles are duplicatable; I believe we should copy those articles first, then modify them to our own standards. As of now, this looks like a sub-standard wiki; just a mess. We can add the anarchist perspective and rearrange the (already well-organised) articles as we wish. [[User:lockeownzj00|lockeownzj00]] 20:46, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

You are right. Anarchopedia in English doesn't have a lot of contributors and my English is not so well. Some time ago, I started to copy Wikipedia's articles about anarchism, and I'll join you :) next week. --[[User:millosh|millosh]] 21:13, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

What's the point of this? If you do a search on Google of a passage from a Wikipedia article for Louis XIV - [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22bankruptcy+when+Louis+XIV+assumed%22 &amp;quot;bankruptcy when Louis XIV assumed&amp;quot;], you get 109 hits, with Wikipedia being #1. Why be hit #110? What's the point of just cloning Wikipedia?

I have copied articles from Wikipedia, usually original articles by a good author. I think copying wholesale Wikipedia articles is pointless. If you want to copy and modify articles from Wikipedia, then copy them to your hard drive, modify it and then upload it. What's the point of being just another Wikipedia clone? [[User:Lance Murdoch|Lance Murdoch]] 01:32, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:I'm going to add articles from Wikipedia I created or contributed toward, largely articles on U.S. leftist groups. [[User:DJ Silverfish|DJ Silverfish]] 18:56, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

:Why is copying all of Wikipedia pointless? No, that's a bad question... let me try again:

:What is the purpose of this site other than to be "not [[Wikipedia]]"? If the purpose is to be an encyclopedia, doesn't it make sense to start with an encyclopedia that you think needs work and then ''do that work''? Any other position would seem to be based merely on territorialism. -[[User:Harmil|Harmil]] 21:26, 30 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorry to sound negative, but was this site started by non-anarchists to make anarchists look hopelessly disorganised? I thought that Wikipedia was a mess, but this... [[User:81.202.195.21|81.202.195.21]] 14:40, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Hehehe... I started it and I ''am'' an anarchist. People from [[:deu:|German]] and [[:fra:|French]] Anarchopedia are better organized because they were working on site organization. So, if you want to make some better organization here, you are welcome. The point is ''self-organization'', not leadership. And we have a lot of time to try to do that. To say again here (and this is the answer to Harmil's question, too): Anarchopedia should be "an anarchist encyclopedia" and "an encyclopedia for anarchists", but also the virtual place where we can try to build anarchy. May we organize us without leaders and power; at least in the virtual world? ... as well as with people who are not explicit anarchists? Even [http://www.infoshop.org/wiki/ Infoshop OpenWiki] doesn't intend to be "an encyclopedia for anarchists" (just "an anarchist encyclopedia") Anarchopedia would not have a lot of sense without the goal to build a virtual anarchy. --[[User:millosh|millosh]] 00:09, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:So, this is the main reason why I am writing here only at the talk pages. People who want to write here should write here without the idea that Anarchopedia is "project which belongs to someone" and without the idea that one person can make decisions about relations between contributors or about the site content. --[[User:millosh|millosh]] 00:09, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:It is not easy to make even virtual society without hierarchy and we want to do that in reality. The good thing is that we have a lot of time to try to do that here (or anywhere else). --[[User:millosh|millosh]] 00:09, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::Consider the [[open politics in force]] [[ruleset]]: [http://openpolitics.ca/open+politics+in+force it seems to set very ambitious goals for having mutually self-reinforcing rules that people enforce on each other with minimal input from advisors].

==Restored data==
I restored eng: from database dump from September 8th. Between 5 ti 10 changes (from 8, 9, and 10 September) are lost. --[[User:millosh|millosh]] 17:49, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:No big deal, it should take just a few minutes to resubmit the changes (and apparently i was the only person active during the period :). [[User:eâ˜…f|eâ˜…f]] 20:26, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==Eng is on new server==
[[User:millosh|millosh]] 14:50, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==User unfriendly==

Want to grow the articles here? Improve the ease of submitting a new article. First, what the hell is this about having to log in to create an article? How anarchic is that? Second, typing an entry in to the search box should bring up a "create new article" dialog if the database query finds nothing, not the apocryphal MySQL space language it does now. [[User:Denni|Denni]] 01:38, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)

: We have a very small community here so far, and i think this ([[Special:Userlogin|logging]] in first) was done to prevent bots from editing and creating crap articles... personally seeing how there was an influx of regestering bots around, i say this rule has to be deprecated, since it doesn't help anyhow. {{User:beta_m/sig}}

:: First of all, YOU DONT HAVE TO BE LOGGED IN TO CREATE AN ARTICLE! Second, making a new article is not terribly complicated. All you have to do is search for it, and if it doesnt come up a link will show up in red at the top of the page. Anyone that cant figure out how to do that probably shouldn't be contributing to Anarchopedia anyway. Im sick of people complaining about how you have to be logged in and how it is un-anarchistic. I have a user name, but I dont always log in with it (usually due to laziness) and it never hinders my ability to edit articles. Furthermore, if you look at the records, only one user was ever banned from this website, and that was because he added "an eggcup" onto the end of every article he could find.

:::Right on.

== can't write on eng: ? ==

i tryied to [[User talk:Libre/dads|make a translation]] for "diego abad de santillan" from the [[:fr:Diego Abad de SantillÃ¡n|french article]], and put it on eng:, but it [[Special:Recentchanges|seems created]], but it show nothing : see [[Diego Abad de Santillan]].
What happen ?
[[User:Libre|Libre]] 08:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

: something strange !? it passed now ???!! finally good :) [[User:Libre|Libre]] 08:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

: It happens sometimes that you have to submit the same thing twice before it actually works. I suspect it has something to do with the timeout threshhold being too low.  ~ [[User:Beta_M|Beta_M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit&section=new}} Talk] {{{1|09:37}}}

== licensing ==

I also have thougth a bit about licenses. I think the bad thing about licenses like GFDL and CC are that they gibe somebody the right to go to the courts in order to enforce the rights. I think for anarchists that should be a no-go. So I suggest to develop an anarchistic anti-licenses. This should be very short, maybe one paragraph - and could also be used on other projects. The idea is to give the people the "rights" they need but make clear that these "rights" can not be enforced by any jurisdiction. I would call such a license AAL [[Anarchist Anti License]]. The "Anti" should make clear that this is not a real license. Please take a look at http://www.cypherspace.org/CPL/ for an idea - but I think this could be made much shorter. --[[User:Vinci|Vinci]] 08:50, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

: I do like the idea, but think it's more silly then anything. {{ll|Public domain}} is the way to go if we want to be anarchic. And i don't see what is wrong with GNU GPL anyhow. Taking away somebody's right to restict freedoms of others isn't a bad thing, nor is it anti-anarchist.  ~ [[User:Beta_M|Beta_M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit&section=new}} Talk] [[2006]] [[July 02]] 16:47 ([[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]])

::The problem with [[public domain]] is that someone takes your stuff and changes it and then claims they own the changes, even if they are just corrections, then sues you. The only way around this is a [[share alike]] license, and yes the [[GFDL]] does qualify. It gives you a lot of powers actually if you use the [[GFDL Secondary Section]]s properly - especially the [[GFDL Invariant Section]] - to make sure no one can abuse the materials. For instance you could add an Invariant Section promoting anarchy and giving all the most useful URLs to anyone who reads any derived article. So an article on [[gardening]] would only be distributed with a secondary section on how to [[anarchize gardening]], e.g. by planting [[illegal plant]]s in everyone else's garden all around.

::You could write a more complex [[terms of use]] like [[let.sysops.be]] or [[openpolitics.ca]] or [[lp.greenparty.ca]] to sort out all the various possibilities. One nice idea that came from the (now defunct) [[livingplatform.ca]] was to let tense of articles and PoV of articles actually determine their copyright. So instructions were [[CC-by-sa]] but political opinions were [[CC-by]], and compilations of many opinions were [[CC-by-nc-sa]] etc.

== anarchy or not ==

anarchy or not, how is someone supposed to find what they
want. what is the meaning of anarchy? chaos and time wasting?

:They can use the search engine, or they can just learn the lingo. The languaged used to describe community here, like [[faction]] stuff, is way more sensible than Wikipedia where they try to deny there are factions and everyone Jiminy Wales hates is a "troll".

== So, what is the rationale behind bans? ==

Yes, vandals are obviously bad, but isn't banning them un-anarchic? Could someone explain what the reasoning is?

:{{ll|Anarchism}} is about empowering people for social change, not making slaves of everyone. Every community has the right to demand that it will not be oppressed, and vandals do exactly that. Think about it, landlord can come and instill [[gender neutral pronoun|ans]] rule in your house, and vandals come in and destroy our project.
:Anarchism is '''[[what anarchism is not|not]]''' [[anomie]] or [[nihilism]]. There is nothing wrong with protecting your home and your life from others. We welcome everybody to come in and contribute to the project, but not to destroy it.  ~ [[User:Beta_M|Beta_M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit&section=new}} Talk] [[2006]] [[October 28]] 07:35 ([[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]])

==Questions==
I have a few:
*I've found that I'll type in the exact title of a page into the search bar and hit go or search, and it won't take me to it or offer me any options (I'm aware of the case-sensitive thing). What's going on and how can I fix it?
*I've read that all logged-in users have sysop rights. Is this no longer true? I'm not able to delete anything. (I'd like to delete some spammer- and vandal-created pages). If I have to petition for sysop rights, how do I do it?
*Just curious: The case sensitivity thing seems like a terrible inconvenience; what's the rationale behind it?
*Can anyone point me to existing discussion about the possibility of joining forces with other underpopulated anarchist wikis?
Thanks in advance, [[User:Delldot|Delldot]] 03:13, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Some answers... (sorry did not see this before)
:# seems to be working for me (just tried "Wikipedia" and "labor note")
:# I am not sure about the current setting, one year ago it was changed to give admin-rights three days since the first edit. The software configuration should be published. The people currently managing the server can be contacted via the mailing list [http://lists.mutualaid.org/mailman/listinfo/anarchopedia-tech anarchopedia-dev], and occasionally via IRC [#anarchopedia@irc.indymedia.org].
:# I agree with you... I like the ability to distinguish between "moon" and "Moon" for example, but the software could be smarter and automatically redirect when just one of the two possible titles is missing, (possibly a bot could create the redirect).
:~[[User:Rev 22|''Rev 22'']] 16:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

==Suggestions==
*Merging this page with [[Talk:Main Page]], since both do basically the same thing, so discussion is fragmented between the two (or actually creating a community portal, but that would take work).
*Not blocking open proxies. I was doing it for a while blocking spammers, but then I decided it's pointless, since a spambot will edit from a new IP most every time, while blocking an open proxy could conceivably deter a legitimate editor (e.g. someone who has to obscure their IP due to political repression...). I'm thinking of unblocking the ones I blocked, any objections? [[User:Delldot|Delldot]] 05:05, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think that IPs are blocked all the way. They are blocked from editing without registration as far as i know. I do like an idea of merging this with [[Talk:Main Page]]  ~ [[User:Beta_M|User:]][[Buddhism|B]][[ethics|e]][[Taoism|t]][[anarchism|a]][[postmodernism|_]][[metaphysics|M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) [{{fullurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit&section=new}} Talk] [[2007]] [[May 10]] 06:21 ([[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]])
:I think I agree, we would have to deal a little more with spammers, but I would not want those users (or anybody) to be accidentally blocked from editing. ~[[User:Rev 22|''Rev 22'']] 15:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
::With the spammer thing, I guess the question is how often are they reusing that IP? If one IP is consistently spamming/vandalizing, sure it makes sense to block. But if a spambot is using a new IP each time anyway, then I say it's a waste of time to block them and the (admittedly quite small) chance that someone legitimate would want to edit from it would make it not worth it. Therefore I propose that we look at the user's contribs before blocking them. If they only have one or two edits, consider not blocking or keeping the block short. Beta, I know that in newer versions of the software there's an option to allow editing from registerred users from an IP you're blocking, but I think it's a new feature and we'd have to update the software to get it. I think autoblocking still exists here. [[User:Delldot|Delldot]] 04:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::After thinking about it i no longer block IP if it's been used only once, also i've noticed that spammers change their IPs while vandals tend to use their own ones.  ~ [[User:Beta_M|User:]][[Buddhism|B]][[ethics|e]][[Taoism|t]][[anarchism|a]][[postmodernism|_]][[metaphysics|M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) [{{fullurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit&section=new}} Talk] [[2007]] [[May 16]] 10:35 ([[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]])
::::Cool, then if no one objects I'll go through my block log and unblock the open proxies I blocked. I think the vandal/spammer difference is because vandals don't have a profit motive so usually aren't sophisticated enough to be using an open proxy, they're mostly just kids fucking around. Whereas spammers are running bots and doing this to a lot of different sites. [[User:Delldot|Delldot]] 16:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

==Search question==

When I put in terms for as yet uncreated articles, why does the "Sorry cannot find *whatever* have a colon in front and a question after, with quotes around?

"anarchopedia" btw should auto-redirect to Anarchopedia.

:You could have been bold and did the redirect yourself. q;-)  ~ [[User:Beta_M|User:]][[Buddhism|B]][[ethics|e]][[Taoism|t]][[anarchism|a]][[postmodernism|_]][[metaphysics|M]] (VolodyA! V Anarhist) [{{fullurl:User_talk:Beta_M|action=edit&section=new}} Talk] [[2007]] [[June 19]] 04:06 ([[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]])

Hi everyone, I'm new here. Hope I can be useful. However, I have something to ask; as I am a member of Italian anarchopedia too, we have a problem with an idiot who likes o cancel our pages; if you have or if you had the same problem, how are you fighting it or how did you stop it?

==Case sensitivity==
Why the case sensitivity and why do people create articles with lower-case letters, even the first one? --[[User:Popperipopp|Popperipopp]] 20:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:Because it is usual encyclopedic manner (to write a title as it would be written if it is in the middle of sentence). Wikipedia doesn't follow this. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 22:34, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:BTW, if you need a bot for making redirects, please let me know and I'll make one. --[[User:Millosh|Millosh]] 22:44, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

::Oh, I didn't know that. Sure, but I can't say that I have fully understood how one control those bots. --[[User:Popperipopp|Popperipopp]] 23:19, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Russia

2007-08-12T23:18:09Z

Popperipopp:

'''Russia''' (or '''Russian Federation''') is a [[bicontenental country]] lying in [[Europe]] and [[Asia]]. While around 80% of the population of Russia is in the European part, around 80% of the territory of RF is in Asia.

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[[Category:Countries]]
[[Category:Europe]]
[[Category:Asia]]

== Wikipedia ==
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia

Switzerland

2007-08-12T20:14:02Z

Popperipopp: silly phrase deleted

'''Switzerland''' or the '''Confoederatio Helvetica''' is a portion of central [[Europe]], a [[nation]] or group of [[state]]s. As nations go, it is known for causing fewer problems for those outside its borders than most.

[[Category:Countries]]

Talk:Anarchopedia:Community Portal

2007-08-12T20:12:07Z

Popperipopp:

Workers Solidarity Alliance

2007-08-12T20:08:22Z

Popperipopp: structure

'''Workers Solidarity Alliance''' is a group that advocates [[anarcho-syndicalism|anarcho-syndicalist]] ideas.

Workers Solidarity Alliance (WSA) was created by the renaming of the [[Libertarian Workers Group]] in [[1984]]. It published the journal [[Ideas and Action]] from 1984 to [[1997]] (prior to 1984, Canadian affinity groups had contributed to the journal).

The WSA became an affiliate of the [[International Workers Association]] (IWA). This lead to an argument with anarcho-syndicalists in the [[Industrial Workers of the World]], who thought IWA should not let the WSA become an affiliate.

==External link==
* [http://www.workersolidarity.org/ Workersolidarity.org]

[[Category:Anarchist organizations]]

Talk:Anarchopedia:Community Portal

2007-08-12T20:01:49Z

Popperipopp: a little structure

User:Popperipopp

2007-08-12T19:57:04Z

Popperipopp:

I'm active at the Swedish, English and Italian Wikipedia, and Swedish Anarchopedia, with the same username.